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Okay, I figure with this being a debate thread and all we could talk about the upcoming US presidential election. Giuliani is in the republican, Hillary is winning Democratic right now but Obama is gaining popularity, and the main topic of debate this time around... global warming... so tell me your thoughts and who you want to win, and sorry if I've misspelled anything.

I almost want Obama to become president just because this whole white supremacy thing needs to die. Politically I would prefer Hillary, but I'm not completely familiar with Obama's politics so I'm not entirely certain which I would prefer to win. I'm not old enough to vote yet though, but I do intend to become more familiar with the candidates to better inform those who can vote, but are too lazy to do their own research.

Minor note, global warming is now an outdated term. As NOCTVRNVS pointed out, some places are getting colder. It is now refered to as climate change. ALL the science and nearly all the scientists (ALL scientists without political agendas) agree that is a fact and it will soon be too late to make much difference.

LOL, so you want Obama to win simply because he's black? Talk about racist... and white supremacy will never die no matter who our president is, but I'm sure more and more rights will be taken away in an attempts to defeat racialism. People always talk about the "witch hunt", and "McCarthyism", when communists were persecuted by the government. Now it is no different, only it is the opposite of communists who are being persecuted, and no-one seems to care as much as they did then.

Although I agree on the subject of "global warming". Just like every other new doctrine society is fed it is nothing but a fearmongering money-grab. Just like the assault rifle ban, the Possession and Acquisition License renewal, SARS, West Nile... all money-grabs that we fall for.

Now I am usually the first to jump on the equal opportunity band wagon, but Obama does not have a lick of experience when dealing with government. He is intelligent, certainly as intelligent as you need to be to run for office, but I can not in good conscience vote for some one because he is the new hot topic of the day. In fact i will not even consider voting for any of these people, because it is much to early and not everyone who is going to be apart of it have joined, only the spotlight grabbers who want to win on name alone, thinking most Americans wont look behind the blinding neon lights to see who is really pulling the strings.

Once again I am going to agree. Some people think that equality is acheived through exclusive advantages -- which would in fact describe INequalities. In relation to what you said specifically, for example, a communist economy only appeals to the poor and the lazy because they are on the lower branches of society. It would hardly be acheiving equality, to simply take money from those who have rightly earned it and give it away to those who haven't.

Sure, climate change is real, but I really don't believe it has much to do with throwing cardboard on the ground. I mean for all we know the world's climates could just be returning to NORMAL after an extended period of deviation... not that I am interested in or knowledgeable about the issue.

The PAL renewal system was introduced only in Canada in 1991, which suddenly meant that everyone who owns firearms must re-take the Canadian Firearms Safety Course every five years -- and pay the registration fee every time. Of course anyone who isn't totally ignorant can easily see that this is completely unnecessary and just another disguised tax (Harper is considering the bill's removal now, finally). I mean do you FORGET how to use a gun within five years of taking a test? confused

Yes, on the grounds that it is unattainable and unrealistic, which it is. The United States CAN NOT meet the demands of the Kyoto accord, it is impossible for North America to cut back so much so quickly. He didn't sign it because he couldn't do it.

Indeed!! Haha, thanks for the compliment -- but really, it wasn't just my observation, President George W. Bush indeed did state that the Kyoto protocol was technically impossible for the United States to meet, when asked why he refused to sign. No, I can't provide you with a quote for that, sorry. But it's not really that important since facts, and not quotes, are the path to answers.

I can't think of a way to force such a cutback on emissions before whatever due-date they've given the country (your country, that is), can you? Not all corporations across the United States can afford these cutbacks in the short term -- they involve a lot of expensive upgrades -- and I can't imagine the state funding these upgrades either, not realistically anyway. For other countries Kyoto is a great scheme, and some countries already met the emission standards of the protocol anyway, but for what is probably the world's leading industrial nation? Easier said than done...

If you ask me Mr Bush is a pretty realistic man who bases decisions on the reality of things, instead of the fantastic reach-for-the-stars dream that most Americans like to think is within reach.

I don't know much about the subject in all honesty, the environment has always been a concern of mine and I protect it as my God-given land to protect and honour, but this "global warming" is just not one of my worries.

(Plus let's not forget it is mentioned in the Bible that the Earth will return to its ideal state -- presumably including a more equalized climate -- in preparation for Christ's return. But that's kind of a different discussion)

Haha, indeed!

Although if you truly believe it there's nothing frightening about the antichrist razz