For those of us who are simply despised by RNG
** A few people have voted against this idea, but if you do vote that you disagree please explain why. It would be helpful to see where the breakdown point is.
I realize this has been discussed before, but I don’t think there was ever actually any definitive answer aside from a response dictating that the jury was still out. I certainly don’t want to cause anyone’s blood to boil or continuously beat a dead horse, but I do believe this topic deserves one more glance.
There is a lot of talk concerning the difficulties that would ensue if this idea were ever to be implemented, but with all of the brains in this shop I am certain we could come up with something. Here I will give my own two cents addressing some of the problems facing this idea. I am not claiming to have all of the answers and I am certain that my logic will likely be flawed in some instances, and that is why I need your help.
* Customs are so infrequent that it wouldn’t be worth it.
--> Customs may be infrequent, but so are breedings and we have not taken out the LL option for those have we? Even though customs may be infrequent it does not simply dissolve the fact that people have been trying for a while. This shop has been open for quite a few years now; I don't think that a shortage of customs would mean a lack of attempts.
* The list would be so small that it would just be stupid.
Isn't that the point though? To make a smaller list so that those who haven't had the best of luck with RNG or other contests can have a fighting chance? Besides, I am certain there are more people in this shop who have quite a few attempts under their belts than we know of.
* Keeping track would be hard and people could go in and edit their posts.
--> To the first I say, no it isn't. If I can go clear back to 2009 and compile my list up to present day, so can you. You do it for breedings don't you? As for the changing of posts concern, I don't really understand. The lists were posted by the colorists on the front page stating what category you were in. You can't go in and change those posts to say that you have been trying in a different category. I suppose I am just unclear on what that concern is about. Also, if you swap your quest form from Bobby to Sue I don't really see how that would help you all that much...
* How would LL be determined?
--> This is one where many ideas coming into play would be good. I personally believe that basing it on whether or not you have been trying for the same SOQUILI for however many years or whatever would be silly. Take myself as an example, five years' worth of attempts. Not all of them are for the same SOQUILI. But why should that matter? Five years is five years, no? I know what you are thinking; we shouldn't base it on years. I couldn't agree more! I believe it should be based on the number of attempts. Say 20 just to match breedings. Now I had a suggestion that we break it down to number of attempts in the same CATEGORY which seems viable, but again, my logic may be flawed. After receiving this suggestion I organized my 'LL' list accordingly:
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-Custom Attempts-
Won first and only custom HERE
1. Imp Customs 2009 -- Lafiel -- Rare
2. Merangue Customs 2009 -- Lafiel -- Rare
3. Vance Customs 2010 -- Eywa -- Super Rare
4. Sabin Customs 2010 -- ??? -- Super Rare
5. Zoo Customs 2010 -- Eywa -- Super Rare
6. Mobbu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
7. Vance Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
8. Felmino Customs 2010 -- Lafiel-- Super Rare
9. Ameh Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
10. Mindsend Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
11. Mobbu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
12. Felmino Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Big List Event
13. Samu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
14. Toa Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
15. Sabin Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
16. Fel Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
17. Mind Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
18. Sabin Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
19. Mind Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
20. Samu Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
21. Neza Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
22. Juls Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
23. Mind Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Big List Event
24. Riri Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
25. Neza Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
26. Riri Customs 2012 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
27. Juls Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
28. Mobbu Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
29. Neza Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
30. Mindsend Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
31. Mind Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
32. Neza Customs 2013 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
33. Mindsend Customs 2013 -- Thanatos -- Super Rare
34. Mind Customs 2013 -- Caoilinn -- Super Rare
35. DD Customs 2013 -- Deaglan -- Super Rare
36. Mind Bribe 2013 -- Bribe Slots
37. DD Bribe 2013 -- Bribe Slots
28 out of 37 are true Super Rare Slots
22 of the 28 are for the same custom (Twin addition as well)
1. Imp Customs 2009 -- Lafiel -- Rare
2. Merangue Customs 2009 -- Lafiel -- Rare
3. Vance Customs 2010 -- Eywa -- Super Rare
4. Sabin Customs 2010 -- ??? -- Super Rare
5. Zoo Customs 2010 -- Eywa -- Super Rare
6. Mobbu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
7. Vance Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
8. Felmino Customs 2010 -- Lafiel-- Super Rare
9. Ameh Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
10. Mindsend Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
11. Mobbu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
12. Felmino Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Big List Event
13. Samu Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
14. Toa Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
15. Sabin Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
16. Fel Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Edited
17. Mind Customs 2010 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
18. Sabin Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
19. Mind Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
20. Samu Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
21. Neza Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
22. Juls Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
23. Mind Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Big List Event
24. Riri Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
25. Neza Customs 2011 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
26. Riri Customs 2012 -- Lafiel -- Super Rare
27. Juls Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
28. Mobbu Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
29. Neza Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
30. Mindsend Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
31. Mind Customs 2012 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
32. Neza Customs 2013 -- Lafiel & Adriel -- Super Rare
33. Mindsend Customs 2013 -- Thanatos -- Super Rare
34. Mind Customs 2013 -- Caoilinn -- Super Rare
35. DD Customs 2013 -- Deaglan -- Super Rare
36. Mind Bribe 2013 -- Bribe Slots
37. DD Bribe 2013 -- Bribe Slots
28 out of 37 are true Super Rare Slots
22 of the 28 are for the same custom (Twin addition as well)
As you see, I could qualify for all three criteria. 1.) Number of overall attempts. 2.) Number of attempts for the same SOQUILI. 3.) Number of attempts in the same CATEGORY.
I am not saying that you should meet all three criteria, I am just pointing out that it is possible.
* Why couldn't we just go off of flat out number of overall tries?
--> I suppose you could, but here is where others have seen an issue with that method. If you are entering Common slots it will be a lot harder for you to win than, say, if you were trying for Super Rare slots. That is just a fact. So if you suddenly were to switch into Common from Super Rare for whatever reason, it stands to reason that your chances of winning would definitely decrease just based on the size of that category alone. You following me? Again, I am not saying this is the final word in the idea, just an issue brought to my attention that needed addressing.
* To break it into just CATEGORY over number of overall attempts would be penalizing people.
--> Let me remind you that I have 37 tries under my belt, and believe me, it killed me to have to whittle away at that list to get it all in the same category. I lost a lot of attempts that way. This suggestion was brought to me by someone who felt LL customs were dumb, and I was trying to see their point of view and perhaps look at the scope of the problem to see if we could reach a happy medium. I do not in any way want to penalize people, I would love to use all of my attempts as well. I am just trying to bring the shop to some sort of agreement. ^^
* It would be a burden to our already busy colorists.
--> I am going to say that it really doesn't have to be. I honestly was a bit nervous about calling this LL customs at all because of the sensitivity of the subject. I don't really care if it is actually LL customs, or a special event held once every one to two years called "RNG Retarded" or something. I just believe that there should be some way to help people out. It could be a special event held similar to when colorists hold an all MINI customs, or an all UNEDITED customs. Or they could add it on to one of their customs slots if they feel like they would be up to doing another slot. I have seen enough colorists CC a few extra couples in breedings to know that sometimes they feel that they are capable of taking on a little extra. (Not trying to assume what the colorists do or don't like, just pointing out an observation.)
* Everyone will hit LL at the same exact time.
--> This is possibly another legit concern, but then I must ask, how is it that LL breedings seem to work then? I know the list has gotten longer but it still gives those people a little more of a chance than they had before. If a colorist were to hold an event for LL customs like they do for LL breedings it is possible that they could do 3-4 LL customs. Those people would then be off of the list until they hit 20 attempts again. I may not have a great grasp on how the system functions but, if it works for breedings I don't see how it wouldn't work for customs.
* I switch my customs around so I may not qualify for a LL slot even though I have been trying for a long time.
--> I hear ya, and I totally understand how this would be a concern. But perhaps as long as you keep rotating soquili around from the same category it would still be fine? Example: I can't try for this rare this time because of some restriction, but maybe I can substitue him/her with another rare. Make sense? Like on my list, I rotated concepts a few times due to various restrictions, but they remained in the same category for the most part.
I would like to reiterate here that these are simply thoughts I have had, I do not pretend to know all of the inner workings of this shop. I have just heard enough people say how disheartening it is to constantly lose. And yes, I am one of you. This may be a tad personal for me as you can tell by looking at my attempts log, but I also know I am not the only one. As stated before, I know that this idea may have plenty of problems, but I do believe it would be worth it.
I appreciate input from all of you but ask that civility be maintained and no one be crucified for their ideas. This is a forum to express opinions, just do it in a way that no one is hurt or made to feel dismissed. Thank you all!! heart