Efstathios
We have less freedom than Canada and many countries in the E.U. We do not have more than everyone else in the world.
Americans are still a long way from free, security has nothing to do with it. Greed, ignorance and fear have everything to do with it.
If we have a problem with Theocracies, then why are we living in one?
I don't care if Hitler rose from the grave and started attacking America, people deserve freedom. Or does "inalienable rights" have a loophole in it?
You know perfectly well America didn't go into Iraq to help anyone. WMDs were fabricated as an excuse, when America could be fooled no longer they switched tactics, saying instead that Iraqis aren't evil with big bad weapons, but that they were helpless and oppressed. If that were true, then once Saddam was deposed there would be no more reason for us to be there, ding dong the witch is dead. But oops, we took the cap off of shook up soda, there's a civil war now, which still begs the question of what the Hell do we think we're doing there?
More people are dying now, and thousands of them are our own.
You act like Iraq is the only place in the world with war, torture, and oppresive rulers. It isn't, what about all the others?
I understand people saying we can't leave now, but we don't have the manpower to go through with it, we have to get out.
People are so freaking scared of planes getting hijacked, if anyone cared about Americans dying they'd outlaw cigarettes, not the right to doctor-patient confidentiality. About privacy in exchange for security, it's a load of B.S. We're not any safer now and everything America once stood for is getting hacked to pieces.
If Americans wanted to cure cancer (which only occurs in westernized societies) all they have to do is stop using toxic chems and gasoline, etc., but that's not gonna happen as long as people are making money off of it.
It's not that there is no ideological basis for the war, it's that the war is not being fought for those ideals.
Bashing someone's head in does not make you correct "War does not prove who is right, only who is left"
It's not going to solve anything, just kill a lot of people.
Americans are still a long way from free, security has nothing to do with it. Greed, ignorance and fear have everything to do with it.
If we have a problem with Theocracies, then why are we living in one?
I don't care if Hitler rose from the grave and started attacking America, people deserve freedom. Or does "inalienable rights" have a loophole in it?
You know perfectly well America didn't go into Iraq to help anyone. WMDs were fabricated as an excuse, when America could be fooled no longer they switched tactics, saying instead that Iraqis aren't evil with big bad weapons, but that they were helpless and oppressed. If that were true, then once Saddam was deposed there would be no more reason for us to be there, ding dong the witch is dead. But oops, we took the cap off of shook up soda, there's a civil war now, which still begs the question of what the Hell do we think we're doing there?
More people are dying now, and thousands of them are our own.
You act like Iraq is the only place in the world with war, torture, and oppresive rulers. It isn't, what about all the others?
I understand people saying we can't leave now, but we don't have the manpower to go through with it, we have to get out.
People are so freaking scared of planes getting hijacked, if anyone cared about Americans dying they'd outlaw cigarettes, not the right to doctor-patient confidentiality. About privacy in exchange for security, it's a load of B.S. We're not any safer now and everything America once stood for is getting hacked to pieces.
If Americans wanted to cure cancer (which only occurs in westernized societies) all they have to do is stop using toxic chems and gasoline, etc., but that's not gonna happen as long as people are making money off of it.
It's not that there is no ideological basis for the war, it's that the war is not being fought for those ideals.
Bashing someone's head in does not make you correct "War does not prove who is right, only who is left"
It's not going to solve anything, just kill a lot of people.
As far as theocracies go, this nation is pretty light, compared to Iran or a few other countries. Yes there are things within our society that could stand to be changed, but really it's not as huge a problem as you make it seem.
If the WMD's were such a big lie, then how come we were able to convince people before we even went to war that they had them? We got intelligence from multiple countries around the world saying that Hussein was up to no good with NBC weaponry. After the Gulf War we were allowed to inspect Iraq and found that it had multiple facilities for producing biological and nuclear weapons, and they were quite advanced to boot. Are you telling me that after that we had no reason to suspect Hussein of producing them still? Also, the Gulf War was "ended" with a cease-fire, not an actual surrender on Iraq's part. Hussein was required to meet certain standards to keep the cease-fire in effect. He didn't. Because of that, the war was essentially back on.
I don't think you know how to fight a war. It takes sacrifice, and lots of it. You think thousands of our own dead is bad? Please. With that kind of mentality there's no way in hell we would've won World War 2. We would've given up when the German counterattack in the winter of '44 happened. We lost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of men due to that attack. Did we say, "Oh no, we've lost too many we ahve to give up!"? No we didn't, we kept fighting. More manpower is needed, but you know how we're gonna get that? A draft! Sure, the modern highly-mobile force is an effective fighting machine, but it can't occupy countries as well as the large standing army of the Cold War era. We know how to deal with country occupation, we have experience with Germany, Japan, and the Philippines. The losses in this conflict are comparitively light, if not scant as opposed to many war of the past.
Yes there are countries with the same problems of tyrranical dictatorships, namely Sudan and the Darfur region in particular. However, Sudan does not have a connection with the War on Terror or Islamic Extremism. While it'd be a nice gesture to remove al-Bashir from power and give the people a chance to run the government themselves, there isn't much in it for us other than a pat on the back from other countries saying "Thanks for doing something that we'd do ourselves but don't see as being worth it to sacrifice the lives of our citizens for." Islamic Extremism became our problem when they decided to hijack some airplanes and fly them into buildings with the intent of killing innocent civilians. And letting our guard down like we did then is a stupid mistake. It happened at the 1972 Munich Olympics because people thought it was going to be a "peaceful" event. None of the guards were armed, and didn't even have patrols. Look what happened. So much for peace and freedom when you can't ensure the lives of the people who you want it to be there for. So much for freedom and privacy in exchange for security being BS. And you've yet to show me a specific case where someone's rights were violated.
And since when does cancer only occur in Westernized societies? You make it sound as if chemicals and gas are the main cause of cancer, which then sounds like we've only had cancer for as long as we've been using chemicals, but cancer has been around for much longer than that. I recommend you provide some evidence before throwing out such a fact.
And no, who wins a war does essentially prove who's right, because the winner gets to write the history books the way they want to, thus teaching people that they won because they believed in such-and-such, and for that they were right. If Germany and the rest of the Axis powers had won World War 2, we wouldn't have been right for standing against the Third Reich, Hitler would have been the man with the right idea.
