Mythweavers is "Protesting" for 24 hours

[KytanaTheThief]

*stares blankly*

Dude. Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this....but are you retarded?

You're acting like every single person in the world is a redneck backwater hillbilly. When in reality we've got thousands of people who are most assuredly right now taking some form of action against all this.

To be honest, when I first heard about SOPA, i was like "nah, this ain't going anywhere." Even when the talk started getting more serious, I still blew it off. But do you know what it's like to visit your comics rss feed (of which i have about 30 regularly updated comics), and have nearly all of them with some form of notice or censorship?

It gave me a seriously sick feeling. With each page with that notice, I got more and more upset. At myself, too, for not bothering with it before. I now want to fight against SOPA. These tactics are working. I noticed. I care. So why wouldn't anyone else?  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Seph Baelzara

Suicidesoldier#1

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Okay, let's assume something for a moment.
I am your typical, every day, average internet user who uses it leisurely. About the age of 14 (22 IRL, but for the sake of arguments, let's go with this age). I don't care about politics, nor do I care about anything that isn't in "my" world.
Mom, dad, or my guardian has me use Firefox for internet browsing. They've set up parental controls so I don't see porn, and they've also installed Ad Block+ and NoScript so I don't run into any questionable ads or anything that may give their computer a virus or unwanted trojan. Actually, I won't see any ads at all because of these add-ons.

I know where I want to go, perhaps to a game site, or to my favorite forum. I won't see these advertisements unless I visit a site that's actively protesting.

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

KytanaTheThief

*stares blankly*

Dude. Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this....but are you retarded?

You're acting like every single person in the world is a redneck backwater hillbilly. When in reality we've got thousands of people who are most assuredly right now taking some form of action against all this.

To be honest, when I first heard about SOPA, i was like "nah, this ain't going anywhere." Even when the talk started getting more serious, I still blew it off. But do you know what it's like to visit your comics rss feed (of which i have about 30 regularly updated comics), and have nearly all of them with some form of notice or censorship?

It gave me a seriously sick feeling. With each page with that notice, I got more and more upset. At myself, too, for not bothering with it before. I now want to fight against SOPA. These tactics are working. I noticed. I care. So why wouldn't anyone else?

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[Vorastrix]

Suicidesoldier#1

Vorastrix

Suicidesoldier#1

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You're still not even saying that your method would work, and you're even complaining about tolerating the ads.

and if you think about it, it would be difficult to get someone to be interested in helping a cause about a bill like this with just advertisements

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....it's a free service....one that you can get elsewhere. by your own admission, it's hurting them, but they clearly thought this through and are willing to take the 'risk' of losing you as a client.

so, if you really are so annoyed at them for doing this, go get the service elsewhere, and don't use them again.  

[KytanaTheThief]

That was in reference to your statement that those tactics won't work because nobody would bother to read them. Yet you say advertisements would work. Those two work on almost the same logic: Drawing your attention.

People can change their minds. That's what this is about. You say decisions have already been made. I say that nothing's set in stone until they actually vote on the damn bill. Which means we still have time. Which is why all these sites are trying to raise awareness. Things "set in stone" have been changed by the public throughout the course of history. Marches, strikes, protests. It's about inspiration and awareness. This is how the public gets informed. It doesn't only "randomly affect random people". And if you truly believe that, I seriously question your sanity.  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Vorastrix

Suicidesoldier#1

Vorastrix

Suicidesoldier#1

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You're still not even saying that your method would work, and you're even complaining about tolerating the ads.

and if you think about it, it would be difficult to get someone to be interested in helping a cause about a bill like this with just advertisements

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....it's a free service....one that you can get elsewhere. by your own admission, it's hurting them, but they clearly thought this through and are willing to take the 'risk' of losing you as a client.

so, if you really are so annoyed at them for doing this, go get the service elsewhere, and don't use them again.

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

KytanaTheThief

That was in reference to your statement that those tactics won't work because nobody would bother to read them. Yet you say advertisements would work. Those two work on almost the same logic: Drawing your attention.

People can change their minds. That's what this is about. You say decisions have already been made. I say that nothing's set in stone until they actually vote on the damn bill. Which means we still have time. Which is why all these sites are trying to raise awareness. Things "set in stone" have been changed by the public throughout the course of history. Marches, strikes, protests. It's about inspiration and awareness. This is how the public gets informed. It doesn't only "randomly affect random people". And if you truly believe that, I seriously question your sanity.

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

Seph Baelzara

Suicidesoldier#1

Seph Baelzara

Suicidesoldier#1

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Okay, let's assume something for a moment.
I am your typical, every day, average internet user who uses it leisurely. About the age of 14 (22 IRL, but for the sake of arguments, let's go with this age). I don't care about politics, nor do I care about anything that isn't in "my" world.
Mom, dad, or my guardian has me use Firefox for internet browsing. They've set up parental controls so I don't see porn, and they've also installed Ad Block+ and NoScript so I don't run into any questionable ads or anything that may give their computer a virus or unwanted trojan. Actually, I won't see any ads at all because of these add-ons.

I know where I want to go, perhaps to a game site, or to my favorite forum. I won't see these advertisements unless I visit a site that's actively protesting.

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Continuing from my assumption of that I'm a 14 year old.
I've established that I know how to use the internet, so let's go a step further and say I play some games too. And by extension, I go to a forum, perhaps not Gaia, but one much like it. Maybe Solia? Maybe some little budding community that none of us here know about. Anyways, I'm in contact with people of all ages, whether I know it or not.
I visit one of these sites that is taking part in this protest, I'm confused. So first I ask my parent about it. Or perhaps I would ask the forum's community, since they're right there. It sounds grave, right? It must be urgent if places like Wikipedia are blocked (I would logically head there seeking answers), and Google has changed as well, as has my favorite site. I don't know why.
I ask around, learn that this is a bad thing. While yes, I cannot vote right now. I'm 14. But I can talk to this with my parents. I can talk to my friends online. I can perpetuate the knowledge of this "bad guy" knowing that knowledge is the power that will defeat it. I know people who can vote, who can do more than just write letters, and call companies and people. Just because I'm a minor doesn't mean I'm powerless. In just 4 years I can vote! I can get rid of these bad people!

Were this information all within advertisements, that I've already established, I cannot see in the first place, I would not know this. I would stay ignorant. I wouldn't know that one luxury I enjoy on a casual basis is in danger of going away forever.

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[KytanaTheThief]

I have to go to bed, so I'm just going to drop one last little piece of my mind.

Has it occurred to you, that after 6 pages of debate....

No one has agreed with you.

If you're the only one with your opinion, and everyone else is saying differently, shouldn't that be a hint along the lines of "Hey, the odds of all these people being wrong and only one person being right are low, maybe I should reevaluate my thoughts?"  

[Rain Yupa]

Okay, my curiosity has gotten the better of me:

Suicide, if you learn most of the things you do through clicking on advertisements...

When's the last time have you checked your computer for spyware and trojans? And how often do you do so? confused  

[Captain Ragnar Devonin]

I was going to type up a long post, but then I realized I'm no good at this debating thing. My point wouldn't get across. I'm trying a more straightforward method.

Advertisements don't work.
- I have seen advertisements and notices about SOPA.
- I have seen messages everywhere about SOPA on almost every tech and gaming news site.
- The Senate's websites never crashed.
- Senators didn't drop from the bill very much.
- People who didn't understand the ramifications of SOPA had no real motivation.

The site shut downs... did work!
- 4 Senators today (AFAIK) dropped support of the bill.
- The Senate's websites are SLAMMED. That never happened before, that sends a message. This pisses people off. A lot of people.
- People who didn't understand SOPA now get it... No wikipedia, no reddit!
- Everyone else: it preys on what the general populace is known for: entitlement. They feel they have a right (not the privlidge it is) to use Wikipedia. Wikipedia denied them it, and gave them a focus for the anger. SOPA. Cue sites slammed, senate dropping support as floods of angry people flock to complain.

Actually, now that I think of it. Wikipedia/Reddit/etc... sound like devious asshats. Anger is a good motivator, denying people what they feel entitled to is a good way to generate anger (ask anyone who has worked retail), and with their loaded gun they gave a link to senate websites and SOPA and pulled the trigger.
There's a point in there somewhere. Maybe someone who is better with words can find it and put it better.  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Rain Yupa

Okay, my curiosity has gotten the better of me:

Suicide, if you learn most of the things you do through clicking on advertisements...

When's the last time have you checked your computer for spyware and trojans? And how often do you do so? confused

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