War on "Terror"

[NOCTVRNVS]

Snowmaiden616

But firearm restrictions and/or bans keep people safe from people who would misuse the firearm.
Such as the Mass Murderer at Virginia Tech just a few weeks ago.

LOL!!

Well once again Freischütz said it really...

Why don't people get that 99% of firearm-related crimes are committed by people with UNREGISTERED firearms?? If you don't register your guns then you can have any gun you WANT, just like the millions of guns owned by petty young criminals across the continental US.

And I mean, how does banning guns protect us from people who MISUSE guns? If you misuse guns then you will have your license revoked anyway. Somone like me who handles firearms respectfully should be able to have any type of gun but sadly restrictions keep me from enjoying such a hobby.  

[Snowmaiden616]

Well then even if they are unregistered the government should keep tabs on the guns created and imported.

Ok smartypants how do you propose we fix all the bad stuff going on in the world??

Over 30 people dead and you are laughing!!!! How heartless can you be??  

[Efstathios]

On firearms...I agree with the hicks.

Go back to 9/11 the excuse for this whole fiasco, if, when the terrorists tried to take over, a citizen with a concealed weapon shot them, the disaster would never have taken place.

Another idea, one of my friend's teachers said that everyone should have a six-shooter, so if someone goes psycho and starts shooting people he'll only kill six and odds are someone would shoot him before that. Sounded like a good idea to me.

The Bill of Rights guarantees firearms, taking them away is dumb, how are we supposed to defend ourselves?

We learned this in 7th grade, these kids did a skit explaining the need for the firearms amendment. They proposed two scenarios:

1) without legal firearms, a young woman and her child are killed and robbed by a thief with a 357

2) With legal firearms, the young woman shoots the would-be murderer her and her young child survive, the man either lives to face justice or has already met justice's ruling. evil

I don't like guns, they are cowardly and dishonourable, but I will carry one, because this world is a gunfight. I'm not gonna be the idiot with mace whose attacker never gets close enough to be sprayed with it.  

[NOCTVRNVS]

Efstathios

On firearms...I agree with the hicks.

Go back to 9/11 the excuse for this whole fiasco, if, when the terrorists tried to take over, a citizen with a concealed weapon shot them, the disaster would never have taken place.

Another idea, one of my friend's teachers said that everyone should have a six-shooter, so if someone goes psycho and starts shooting people he'll only kill six and odds are someone would shoot him before that. Sounded like a good idea to me.

The Bill of Rights guarantees firearms, taking them away is dumb, how are we supposed to defend ourselves?

We learned this in 7th grade, these kids did a skit explaining the need for the firearms amendment. They proposed two scenarios:

1) without legal firearms, a young woman and her child are killed and robbed by a thief with a 357

2) With legal firearms, the young woman shoots the would-be murderer her and her young child survive, the man either lives to face justice or has already met justice's ruling. evil

I don't like guns, they are cowardly and dishonourable, but I will carry one, because this world is a gunfight. I'm not gonna be the idiot with mace whose attacker never gets close enough to be sprayed with it.

I gotta say it's a relief hearing that from you... well you never hear about "school shootings" before 30 years ago, maybe that's because in most states you were allowed to carry a gun wherever you wanted. Who, in their right mind or NOT, would even try shooting their classmates at school when they know they'll be shot dead first anyway? The world would be a lot friendlier when everyone knows it's a fair fight wherever you go. Firearms are the great equalizer.

And I mean then people say, "but not everyone is responsible enough to use a gun properly in the first place". Well, that's kind of irrelevant because it has always been that the privelege to a gun must be defined by the respect you have for it. If you are uncapable of using one the right way then you simply won't get one. I mean even Gomer Pyle knew that, they gave the sherriff one single bullet because he wasn't responsible enough to have any more.

I do disagree that guns are "cowardly" or "dishonourable" though. It is only that cowards take advantage of the availability of firearms because they know it will give them an unfair advantage. Ironically this issue can be completely reversed by making firearms available to everyone. There were always "massacres" before guns, because axes and swords and bludgeons were always available. It doesn't make those weapons "cowardly", because everyone had them.

Like you said, firearms can equalize unfair situations such as the Sept. 11th hijackings where such a scenario could have NEVER worked. The hijackers would carry a gun onto the plane like everyone else and they would have been at the business end of two-dozen loaded revolvers the second they tried anything.

Snowmaiden616

Well then even if they are unregistered the government should keep tabs on the guns created and imported.

Ok smartypants how do you propose we fix all the bad stuff going on in the world??

Over 30 people dead and you are laughing!!!! How heartless can you be??

Wow, what a great suggestion, if only the government monitored the manufacture, distribution and import of firearms within North America. Then we would know almost exactly how many guns were out there and how many of them were owned illegally!

How do I propose the bad stuff going on in the world? Well aside from our inevitable self-destruction, I would propose worldwide Nationalism -- a step towards peace and a foolproof way to end racialism for good.

Please don't manipulate every post to make it seem "obscene" when it clearly wasn't, why would I laugh at 30 people being slaughtered? I was laughing because of your naïevety in case you really didn't get that.  

[Snowmaiden616]

Well then
Hahahaha very funny.
What you dont understand is that not everyone is as naieve as you think.  

[Efstathios]

I described them as cowardly because it's a lot easier to sneak up on someone from 300 yards away than 3 feet. I guess that's silly though since they did have arrows before guns.

Dishonourable for a similar reason, not giving your opponent any chance to defend themselves, there's so little skill involved...Just aim.
The big thing though is that guns are impersonal, if you couldn't kill the person without a gun then you don't really want to kill and shouldn't be killing.

Then again, the world's a little overrun anyway, the problem is most people kill the wrong people. Like the tech massacre emo
That's EXACTLY what we need to do, kill the smart people getting their college. *fumes*  

[Snowmaiden616]

I know this sounds totally unpartiotic (sp) but I dont really like this country all that much. I mean the most drastick thing I would probably do is move to Europe or Australia.  

[NOCTVRNVS]

Snowmaiden616

I know this sounds totally unpartiotic (sp) but I dont really like this country all that much. I mean the most drastick thing I would probably do is move to Europe or Australia.

The grass is always greener on the other side...  

[Efstathios]

DON'T MOVE TO EUROPE/AUSTRALIA

Move to Canada. More reasons than I can list to move to Canada over just about any other country.
I totally want to marry a Canadian, but moving to Canada would mean forsaking U.S., and the Constitution is too pretty to just be abandoned.

So I stay here, fighting. If a Republican gets elected (other than the only Republican I like, who's practically an unknown so there's no way he could win) president, I will personally lead a mass migration to Canada. We can wage war with U.S. and take some northern states so there's enough room for everyone.

Note: The above is totally joking. Seemed ok, since there's not much debate at the moment. Well, the last bit is a joke. I would totally marry my Canadian friend, but he says he has to marry a Canadian girl so the kids will be purebloods. Silly. There's no such thing as "pure" Canadian.  

[Der Freischuetz]

Good luck taking North Dakota. We have more nukes than China, India and Pakistan combined. lol

Just as there is no such thing as a pure American.  

[NOCTVRNVS]

Efstathios

DON'T MOVE TO EUROPE/AUSTRALIA

Move to Canada. More reasons than I can list to move to Canada over just about any other country.
I totally want to marry a Canadian, but moving to Canada would mean forsaking U.S., and the Constitution is too pretty to just be abandoned.

So I stay here, fighting. If a Republican gets elected (other than the only Republican I like, who's practically an unknown so there's no way he could win) president, I will personally lead a mass migration to Canada. We can wage war with U.S. and take some northern states so there's enough room for everyone.

Note: The above is totally joking. Seemed ok, since there's not much debate at the moment. Well, the last bit is a joke. I would totally marry my Canadian friend, but he says he has to marry a Canadian girl so the kids will be purebloods. Silly. There's no such thing as "pure" Canadian.

Damn, pure Canadian? I'd be looking in Finland or Greece just so my kid doesn't have to grow up with the embarrassment of having 2 Canadian parents...

Seriously though what disappointment... I really hoped you were serious about the civil war between the Left and the Right. I would love nothing more than to see a league of Liberals trying to take hold of a handful of US States... just tell the citizens of the USA they can start shooting Liberals on-site, no questions asked...  

[Efstathios]

NOCTVRNVS

Damn, pure Canadian? I'd be looking in Finland or Greece just so my kid doesn't have to grow up with the embarrassment of having 2 Canadian parents...

Seriously though what disappointment... I really hoped you were serious about the civil war between the Left and the Right. I would love nothing more than to see a league of Liberals trying to take hold of a handful of US States... just tell the citizens of the USA they can start shooting Liberals on-site, no questions asked...

sad What's wrong with Canadia? I'd love to be Canadian.

There was a civil war a while back, the Confederacy lost, I'm assuming that's the side you'd be on?
As much fun as shooting conservatives on sight would be...*lost in daydreams*

ahem *cough*, I mean...War bad! <.< >.>  

[Snowmaiden616]

Even if I moved to Canada if there was a draft from the US government they could probably get the Canadian Government to agree to arrest the US mirgrants and send them back to America.

Yeah it is always greener.... and the guys are hotter. blaugh heart blaugh  

[Efstathios]

Snowmaiden616

Even if I moved to Canada if there was a draft from the US government they could probably get the Canadian Government to agree to arrest the US mirgrants and send them back to America.

Yeah it is always greener.... and the guys are hotter. blaugh heart blaugh

Oooh yeah, the hottest of my exes was the Canadian. ^_^

And draft dodgers used to escape to Canada, so I don't think they would send people back. There hasn't been a draft in over 30 years and I don't think Bush has enough support to make one. As long as dems take the executive branch in '08 we should be fine.  

[Isho Von Ra]

I live in Australia & I sleep well because I know people here can’t go down to the local K-mart to buy a firearm to go out to gank people. Here in Australia if a person is walking down a street with a baseball bat & the police stop him/her & ask what are you carrying it & the person reply with “person protection” they will arrest (for carrying a weapon) you & seize the bat. I person agree with them about this, for the reason that ‘personal protection’ mean you are planing to you the objet as a weapon & therefore planing to use it to harm people. Now I am also for people having firearm as tool of the trade, like a farmer using a rifle for pest control. But ‘person protection’ is a lame reason to have & use firearms.

Now take a few example stated before like the mother & child. Without firearms being legal, the mother may get shot or intimidated (more likely because it’s a lesser crime) the mother to hand over the money. With firearm being legal, the mother get shot in the head (the best way to stay alive is to shot her before she can shot you) before she can the firearm out of wherever it is stored. In short she is more likely to die if firearm are more legal.
As for 9/11 if people could take firearm onto plain so would the terrorist, & as that would go the first shot would be to decompress the plane air to suck people out of the plane. Wait till the decomposition start to slow down & then shot anyone whom is still alive, take over the plane & fly it into whatever you want. In short the terrorist have more control over the situation if firearm are more legal.