Mythweavers is "Protesting" for 24 hours

[Rain Yupa]

SporkMaster5000

irrisponsible, debatably.

stupid, no. a) people ******** know about this. A lot of people. A banner at the top? how many times did you read a personal appeal from [some jackass at wikipedia]? EVERYONE is paying some attention to this.
b) it worked.

Hahaha, great link. It made my evening! Here's to many more like it!  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Rain Yupa

SporkMaster5000

irrisponsible, debatably.

stupid, no. a) people ******** know about this. A lot of people. A banner at the top? how many times did you read a personal appeal from [some jackass at wikipedia]? EVERYONE is paying some attention to this.
b) it worked.

Hahaha, great link. It made my evening! Here's to many more like it!

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[Rain Yupa]

@ Suicide Soldier: One last thing: The whole point of blocking out sites like wikipedia, which would be, as you put it, immensely important & useful for learning about this very thing, is to make it that more impacting to the public.

Imagine those who DON'T know the details, and they're unable to actually find anything about the reasons why. Imagine how infuriating that would be, and how helpless that would make everyone feel?

The whole point of this is that we can go on tomorrow and find out, "WTF COULDN'T I HAVE MY INTERNETZ YESTERDAY?!?!1!?1". Because when SOPA and PIPA pass, we might not have that luxury then.

I hate to break it to you, but if you fail to see this point at all, then you're the only one in this conversation, possibly in the entire guild, who doesn't get the point of the black-out. And this means it's a losing battle for you, so arguing your point further is naught but an effort in futility.

I won't stop you from doing it anyways if it comes to that, until tempers begin to flare. But I feel the responsible thing for me to do at this point is to let you know where you stand. Kudos for sticking to your convictions, but you might want to bring your arguments elsewhere if you want to find someone to agree with you. sweatdrop  

[SporkMaster5000]

Suicidesoldier#1

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Rain posted a link pretty early in the thread to 25 kids who didn't seem too informed about this whole mess. at least one confirmed that they just signed up to stop it after seeing wikipedia down. you give people too much credit for being informed, even on the internet. here's another link with more evidence though. moreover, even people who don't use the internet regularly will notice when wikipedia is down, it's a big ******** deal, that's the point.

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You give people WAAAAAY too much credit. most people can't really rationalize how bad it is to have something they completely take for granted just disappear.

It's not like having to stab someone to let htem know what hurting feels like, it's more akin to the difference between saying "If you lost your legs it would suck" and making someone spend a day in a wheelchair. or making them pretend to be blind for a day, or taking away electricity. there are things people have no concept of being without, because they've always had it. The internet isn't quite so inherent, but the current generation has always had it, and most modern people take it for granted. you don't know what it's like to lose something so ingrained into your life until you don't have it. This is a wake up call most of them need.  

[SporkMaster5000]

Suicidesoldier#1

Rain Yupa

SporkMaster5000

irrisponsible, debatably.

stupid, no. a) people ******** know about this. A lot of people. A banner at the top? how many times did you read a personal appeal from [some jackass at wikipedia]? EVERYONE is paying some attention to this.
b) it worked.

Hahaha, great link. It made my evening! Here's to many more like it!

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...you realise 10 hours is a long a** time, right?  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

SporkMaster5000

Suicidesoldier#1

Rain Yupa

SporkMaster5000

irrisponsible, debatably.

stupid, no. a) people ******** know about this. A lot of people. A banner at the top? how many times did you read a personal appeal from [some jackass at wikipedia]? EVERYONE is paying some attention to this.
b) it worked.

Hahaha, great link. It made my evening! Here's to many more like it!

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...you realise 10 hours is a long a** time, right?

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

Rain Yupa

@ Suicide Soldier: One last thing: The whole point of blocking out sites like wikipedia, which would be, as you put it, immensely important & useful for learning about this very thing, is to make it that more impacting to the public.

Imagine those who DON'T know the details, and they're unable to actually find anything about the reasons why. Imagine how infuriating that would be, and how helpless that would make everyone feel?

The whole point of this is that we can go on tomorrow and find out, "WTF COULDN'T I HAVE MY INTERNETZ YESTERDAY?!?!1!?1". Because when SOPA and PIPA pass, we might not have that luxury then.

I hate to break it to you, but if you fail to see this point at all, then you're the only one in this conversation, possibly in the entire guild, who doesn't get the point of the black-out. And this means it's a losing battle for you, so arguing your point further is naught but an effort in futility.

I won't stop you from doing it anyways if it comes to that, until tempers begin to flare. But I feel the responsible thing for me to do at this point is to let you know where you stand. Kudos for sticking to your convictions, but you might want to bring your arguments elsewhere if you want to find someone to agree with you. sweatdrop

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[Mongooseh]

That statement disputes nothing and you are neatly ignoring anything else you cannot dispute.  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Mongooseh

That statement disputes nothing and you are neatly ignoring anything else you cannot dispute.

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[Cute Things In Jars]

SporkMaster5000

Snuffins

So like....this is really chafing me...
Why should I, as a citizen of the United Kingdom, be a victim of something the United States passes?

because the problem with the bill is it threatens the stability of the internet as a whole. it would allow corporations to turn off DNS servers, meaning entire websites just up and disappear.

Yes, america is not the whole internet, but it's a lot of the internet, and it's a lot of the big names on the internet. moreover, if DNS servers go down, people have to find ways around it, given the provisions of the bill, accessing IP addreses directly would still be possible, as may be using certain services and networks currently being used to bypass similar censorship in china, but both options present significant security risks, to all involved, and the latter would likely be made illegal shortly on the heels of these bills if it did catch on.

this whole protest is happening, not to protest american censorship, but to protest american censorship breaking the internet

lol, i knew that already
ii was asking a rhetorical question rofl  

[RafeRavel]

Suicidesoldier#1

Rain Yupa

@ Suicide Soldier: One last thing: The whole point of blocking out sites like wikipedia, which would be, as you put it, immensely important & useful for learning about this very thing, is to make it that more impacting to the public.

Imagine those who DON'T know the details, and they're unable to actually find anything about the reasons why. Imagine how infuriating that would be, and how helpless that would make everyone feel?

The whole point of this is that we can go on tomorrow and find out, "WTF COULDN'T I HAVE MY INTERNETZ YESTERDAY?!?!1!?1". Because when SOPA and PIPA pass, we might not have that luxury then.

I hate to break it to you, but if you fail to see this point at all, then you're the only one in this conversation, possibly in the entire guild, who doesn't get the point of the black-out. And this means it's a losing battle for you, so arguing your point further is naught but an effort in futility.

I won't stop you from doing it anyways if it comes to that, until tempers begin to flare. But I feel the responsible thing for me to do at this point is to let you know where you stand. Kudos for sticking to your convictions, but you might want to bring your arguments elsewhere if you want to find someone to agree with you. sweatdrop

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One last statement her and I'm done.
You say a 'long term sustainable solution' would be better? We don't have 'long term.' SOPA/PIPA is upon us NOW. Without immediate action, we will lose one of the most powerful freedoms we have. And while some take the time to look at little tidbits, the Blackout is about a peek at the future. No one was harmed, and no one lost access to vitally important data. It did, however, make a lot of people realize how big of a deal this whole situation is. The Blackout is for an relatively short period of time. If these acts pass, they will last a lot longer. Sometimes a concussive smack in the face can do more than tossing gravel. And it's not like the Blackout is the only awareness maneuver happening. But it's how these sites chose to help, and I believe it has made a huge difference.

Now, I'm getting a ignorance inspired headache. I don't suppose anyone has some virtual aspirin to share? emotion_kirakira  

[Vorastrix]

Suicidesoldier#1

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I don't get it, it worked, and you're complaining that it....what...didn't work in the right way: a way that didn't inconvenience you?

i definitely came in this late in the game, and missed most of the arguments, and i really don't feel like reading all of it, so i'm wondering...what, if any, alternative do you have?  

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Vorastrix

Suicidesoldier#1

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I don't get it, it worked, and you're complaining that it....what...didn't work in the right way: a way that didn't inconvenience you?

i definitely came in this late in the game, and missed most of the arguments, and i really don't feel like reading all of it, so i'm wondering...what, if any, alternative do you have?

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[Suicidesoldier#1]

RafeRavel

Suicidesoldier#1

Rain Yupa

@ Suicide Soldier: One last thing: The whole point of blocking out sites like wikipedia, which would be, as you put it, immensely important & useful for learning about this very thing, is to make it that more impacting to the public.

Imagine those who DON'T know the details, and they're unable to actually find anything about the reasons why. Imagine how infuriating that would be, and how helpless that would make everyone feel?

The whole point of this is that we can go on tomorrow and find out, "WTF COULDN'T I HAVE MY INTERNETZ YESTERDAY?!?!1!?1". Because when SOPA and PIPA pass, we might not have that luxury then.

I hate to break it to you, but if you fail to see this point at all, then you're the only one in this conversation, possibly in the entire guild, who doesn't get the point of the black-out. And this means it's a losing battle for you, so arguing your point further is naught but an effort in futility.

I won't stop you from doing it anyways if it comes to that, until tempers begin to flare. But I feel the responsible thing for me to do at this point is to let you know where you stand. Kudos for sticking to your convictions, but you might want to bring your arguments elsewhere if you want to find someone to agree with you. sweatdrop

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One last statement her and I'm done.
You say a 'long term sustainable solution' would be better? We don't have 'long term.' SOPA/PIPA is upon us NOW. Without immediate action, we will lose one of the most powerful freedoms we have. And while some take the time to look at little tidbits, the Blackout is about a peek at the future. No one was harmed, and no one lost access to vitally important data. It did, however, make a lot of people realize how big of a deal this whole situation is. The Blackout is for an relatively short period of time. If these acts pass, they will last a lot longer. Sometimes a concussive smack in the face can do more than tossing gravel. And it's not like the Blackout is the only awareness maneuver happening. But it's how these sites chose to help, and I believe it has made a huge difference.

Now, I'm getting a ignorance inspired headache. I don't suppose anyone has some virtual aspirin to share? emotion_kirakira

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