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The Iran/Iraq War was a different time. It's no like we were good buddies with the Iraqis, it's that we didn't want to see a nation that was openly hostile to us win a war. You have to choose your allies for the time period. At that time, Iraq was the lesser of two evils. We figured he'd use the weapons provided, but we couldn't have realized that he'd use them against his own people.

But tell me, why should I believe that this is nothing more than a vendetta? What evidence is there that would prove that this is nothing but a personal battle? Otherwise I'll simply believe that this is just another simple conspiracy theory.

Yes, I know Hussein attempted to kill Bush Sr. Sure, Bush Sr. said he hated Hussein. Really, how many people did hate Hussein? Is it really that big a deal?

And what "evidence," praytell, is there that terrorists did not attack the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? Don't just send me a link to Loose Change, give me proof that hasn't been disproven by Popular Mechanics. Popular Mechanics article. Or the National Institute of Standards and Technology. NIST article.

You're just determined to believe that the evil gub'mint is lying to you, aren't you?

ok, first off, bush saying he hated saddam was a big deal because he was in a position of power in the world's biggest military power. he knew that his saying that he hated saddam publically would greatly influence the people of America. second, sorry, but my computer isnt loading the NIST page, so i only saw the pop. mechanics page, but from what i saw there, i saw a few problems.

first, on the part about the pentagon and the plane not leaving holes where the wings would be, they did not explain the lack of any imprint of the wings. they explained why there are holes, but a plane would still leave at least a dent or mark on the wall where it crashed. second, they said nothing of the plane not leaving any mark on the lawn in front of the pentagon from where it touched ground. third, it also did not say anything about a plane keeping control and speed after hitting numerous light poles.

well, i can see that at least most of the facts brought up in loose chage have an explanation. im not saying that youve completely made me believe that this was definately, without-a-doubt the work of terrorists, but you have answered many of the questions i had, so thank you. i started this topic to get answers to those questions i had and to the questions brought up in loose change, i wasnt just saying it was the government. (and by the way, just because im still young and in high school, that doesnt mean im any more impressionable than anyone else)

Doesn't "War on Terror" define itself? It's a war of conflicting ideals. They openly oppose our ideals, and resort to violence to solve them, so there is no other choice than for us to retaliate. It's the typical "us or them" situation. I don't see any compramise for this, at least not a huge compramise. They want out total destruction so that Islam will be the predominant relgion and way of life. Therefore, we are fighting that so that that deson't become the case. Plus, if we can get some resources out of this, it'll be awesome.

Well exactly. It's so disappointing to know that we're living in a nation of kids educated by asinine liberal media such as Loose Change (a laughable documentary about a presidential conspiracy) and The Casualties. These are the main sources of [mis]information for the youth in today's America it seems.

Everyone thinks they know what's good for themselves and for the rest of America. Well, that's why we have leaders in the first place -- because you have no clue what's going on in or OUT of the US. We think we are fighting some "righteous crusade" against President Bush when really the Administration is fighting for OUR safety, so we don't have to worry day to day about getting our homes bombarded by rabid muslim terrorists who think Allah wants them to destroy us. You know what video games kids play in Iraq right? Think Counter-Strike, only with no CTs.

You know that there are weapons out there capable of destroying North America? And yes, they ARE real despite what you and the Liberal media wants to think.

Yet most of the US seems to think if we just "brought our boys on home" right now life would carry on as normal.

Yeah right! In 2001 the United States was like the big handicapped rich kid peacefully building a big giant awesome free sandcastle on the beach, when suddenly on the 11th of September a big stinky bully came and kicked it down, and then ran away and went "hahahahaaaa".
But now the big handicapped kid was so mad he finally got his cajones loose and stood up and tripped that bully so bad he fell flat on his face. 6 years pass and that bully is still on the ground with sand in his eye but the handicapped kid is standing over him considering punching him in his big fat towel-wearing head, in front of all the hot girls, and being powerful and free until the next bully came along.

Do you wanna just cry it out and walk back to the ruined sand-castle and start building it up again like a fat retarded IDIOT, only to have it kicked down again as soon as you fix it? Or do you wanna finish this here and now, how ever long that bully might resist that titty-twister, sooner or later he's gonna yell uncle and next time he sees you on the street that sucker's gonna cross to the other side.



On a side note I'd like to honour my old old mate Tim who's over there as we speak with the boys in the US army.

Please read the thread.

And to be accurate Bush HAS been there, but it's okay, just keep on compiling lines from a bunch of punk-rock songs to form your political education