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 Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:59 am
Are we trying to be serious here or are we just making up gifts that we actually dont have and never got from God... I am a Christian and I believe once you accept Jesus you get a spiritual gift, and that doesnt include banishing demons to Hell...
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:56 pm
I'm serious, I don't know about anyone else here, but everything that I have said is true. Or as true as I can put into words, most of it is too confusing, even for myself, to type and understand. So I put it into 'easy reading' words.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:26 pm
I am a fairly devoted christian,, yet I still believe fully in the supernatural and prenatural. I am an empath of considerable ability, and sometimes I will have dreams that a few weeks later, come true down to the letter.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:49 pm
to be honest i could careless about religion. alli beleve in is a high power that i cannot fully understand true untill we die. as far as christains go.. there ok..but i think many are two faced. Alot of them look downon others saying there religion is the right religion and who ever else that dosent follow them wil burn i n hell. so i say fine let them think that. The resion i say that is becuase of an old friends mother was like that. At one time shes a bible beater and then next she looks down on you adn if she coudl say it out loud she would tell you were dirt under her feet. Religion starts more crap then anythign else.. so if theres a gift otu there i can say mine is that i exsit.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:57 am
JohnnyK everyone has them. one of my strongest is the ablilty to sense what other people are feeling. to do this, i project myself into that person and pinpoint the pain, and then i heal it.
Man, you make me wish you were here with me right now emo
I've been going through so much lately, all I really need is someone to help me heal all this I'm feeling emo
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:58 am
Songi_the_all_powerfull to be honest i could careless about religion. alli beleve in is a high power that i cannot fully understand true untill we die. as far as christains go.. there ok..but i think many are two faced. Alot of them look downon others saying there religion is the right religion and who ever else that dosent follow them wil burn i n hell. so i say fine let them think that. The resion i say that is becuase of an old friends mother was like that. At one time shes a bible beater and then next she looks down on you adn if she coudl say it out loud she would tell you were dirt under her feet. Religion starts more crap then anythign else.. so if theres a gift otu there i can say mine is that i exsit.
eek
You put in words around half of what I think about this concept.
I think I love you. heart
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:00 am
Well, a gift...
I don't believe I've found mine yet... or maybe I just don't realize it...
Many things could be considered gifts... others could be considered curses... I don't really know...
I could list here a few things I'm not sure about... ~sighs~
Oh well. Maybe some other time.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:38 pm
xX.Fatuous.Mixture.Xx I wonder...
Even if I am athiest...
Do I have a gift? the church of england (america's "Episcopal" schurch) say yes. they use atheist psychiatrists in exorcisms because they have the gift! http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(jyi4if55gm3mrj45qqv3ki55)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,6,8;journal,20,21;linkingpublicationresults,1:104369,1 i know that's not a great link, you have to pay to read the whole thing, but it seems that anglicans do accept atheist gifts.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:44 pm
Everyone has gifts, it doesnt matter your race or religion.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:27 pm
I guess I was just a mistake....I have no gift.
I cant see spirits, I think Im a demon, I have shitty luck, .......I guess I have nothing.
Im..........below normal and it...it kinda seems like im useless to anyone.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:15 pm
What I find amusing about these sorts of discussions is that no one ever brings up the fact that all of this is entirely subjective. Everything about religion is subjective, because there is no possible way to objectively verify any of its claims. A hard core Christian is unlikely to consider 99% of what's come up in this thread as anything but the work of Satan, but that opinion is based on their beliefs and their unwillingness to consider that their beliefs may be wrong. Now, I have no intention of picking solely on Christians, because people of every religion do it. Songi_the_all_powerful proved that point for me quite nicely by engaging in the same sort of hypocritical, judgemental attitude being decried. Also, look at the hard right Jews (the hardest right being the Zionists), the hard right Muslims, the hard left and hard right new agers, the hard left and hard right neopagans, and on and on. But does this mean you should judge an entire religion based on the actions of an extremely small minority? No. What it means is that people are fallible and prone to doing very stupid things. For the question at hand, when you're talking about gifts, what context are we using? The answers I've seen in this thread so far indicate to me a vestigal paganism, or even some sort of animism or mysticism. Without a context, you have no method for examining if what you think, believe, or can actually do is good or bad. Good or bad is determined by context, because, although healing someone of a broken heart may be considered good under one system of belief (reason for this being obvious), it could be considered bad under another (presumption that you're the only one who knows what's best for healing them). I've also noticed a general lack of knowledge about the subject at hand, which is problematic. This sort of thing, if not necessarily religious in nature, is intrinsically spiritual, which means a knowledge of spirituality, at the very least, is required in order to effectively discuss these things. Empathy (as opposed to telepathy, since empathy is the reading of emotion and telepathy is the reading of thoughts) is mentioned by several people, but what sort of spiritual connection does this entail with other people? What does this tell you about yourself, that you're able to do this? What would it mean for considering this a special talent when you realize that everyone is able to do it, and it's only a matter of degree for how well? Is this talent granted/given by an outside source (god/God/gods), or is it an intrinsic ability that comes from within, based on ones faith and belief? Iron_Felix mentioned banishing, which is really the only truly special talent anyone has provided so far in this thread. Why? Because it requires a degree of faith and self-assurance to be able to do it, as well as the operating belief that there are indeed demons (or hexes or whatever) that need to be banished. Now, banishing is not something that's unique to a given system of belief (almost every religion has rites for banishing), but it is one that requires a much more ingrained acceptance of a particular set of beliefs than anything else mentioned in the thread. And now that I'm done ranting, I'll get on topic. I'm pagan, to a very large extent, with bits and pieces stolen from a great many other religious systems, so I operate in that framework for my approach to these things. I've also recently become head of a(n unofficial) coven, as well as a teacher for same. With that out of the way, talents: remote viewing
aura reading
calling/binding/banishing
energy conversion ("dark"/negative energy into "light"/positive energy)
protective magicks
These are basics, and I'm not going to bother getting into anything more complex right now. I do have a question for Iron_Felix, though. Why, exactly, is banishing such a task?
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:10 pm
Endrael What I find amusing about these sorts of discussions is that no one ever brings up the fact that all of this is entirely subjective. Everything about religion is subjective, because there is no possible way to objectively verify any of its claims. A hard core Christian is unlikely to consider 99% of what's come up in this thread as anything but the work of Satan, but that opinion is based on their beliefs and their unwillingness to consider that their beliefs may be wrong. Now, I have no intention of picking solely on Christians, because people of every religion do it. Songi_the_all_powerful proved that point for me quite nicely by engaging in the same sort of hypocritical, judgemental attitude being decried. Also, look at the hard right Jews (the hardest right being the Zionists), the hard right Muslims, the hard left and hard right new agers, the hard left and hard right neopagans, and on and on. But does this mean you should judge an entire religion based on the actions of an extremely small minority? No. What it means is that people are fallible and prone to doing very stupid things. For the question at hand, when you're talking about gifts, what context are we using? The answers I've seen in this thread so far indicate to me a vestigal paganism, or even some sort of animism or mysticism. Without a context, you have no method for examining if what you think, believe, or can actually do is good or bad. Good or bad is determined by context, because, although healing someone of a broken heart may be considered good under one system of belief (reason for this being obvious), it could be considered bad under another (presumption that you're the only one who knows what's best for healing them). I've also noticed a general lack of knowledge about the subject at hand, which is problematic. This sort of thing, if not necessarily religious in nature, is intrinsically spiritual, which means a knowledge of spirituality, at the very least, is required in order to effectively discuss these things. Empathy (as opposed to telepathy, since empathy is the reading of emotion and telepathy is the reading of thoughts) is mentioned by several people, but what sort of spiritual connection does this entail with other people? What does this tell you about yourself, that you're able to do this? What would it mean for considering this a special talent when you realize that everyone is able to do it, and it's only a matter of degree for how well? Is this talent granted/given by an outside source (god/God/gods), or is it an intrinsic ability that comes from within, based on ones faith and belief? Iron_Felix mentioned banishing, which is really the only truly special talent anyone has provided so far in this thread. Why? Because it requires a degree of faith and self-assurance to be able to do it, as well as the operating belief that there are indeed demons (or hexes or whatever) that need to be banished. Now, banishing is not something that's unique to a given system of belief (almost every religion has rites for banishing), but it is one that requires a much more ingrained acceptance of a particular set of beliefs than anything else mentioned in the thread. And now that I'm done ranting, I'll get on topic. I'm pagan, to a very large extent, with bits and pieces stolen from a great many other religious systems, so I operate in that framework for my approach to these things. I've also recently become head of a(n unofficial) coven, as well as a teacher for same. With that out of the way, talents: remote viewing
aura reading
calling/binding/banishing
energy conversion ("dark"/negative energy into "light"/positive energy)
protective magicks
These are basics, and I'm not going to bother getting into anything more complex right now. I do have a question for Iron_Felix, though. Why, exactly, is banishing such a task? My friend is Wiccan (Pagan), and a very lazy one at that, and I was thinking about becomming a Druid a while ago, but I stayed Atheist. Im a Ex-christian.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:51 pm
Thats a very interesting point Endrael, and banishing is such a task for me because I'm still in-experienced at it. I've performed hundreds of banishment rituals, and I never seem to be able to get any better at it. And the level of spirits that I attack is very high. I only attempt to banish the stronger spirits, the ones that pose a threat to me. Those ones have generally survived many such rituals by people alot better at this than I am, but I'm succesfull to an almost comical degree. I can't explain it. Perhaps it has something to do with some events from my past.... I'm not sure.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:36 pm
Iron_Felix Thats a very interesting point Endrael, and banishing is such a task for me because I'm still in-experienced at it. I've performed hundreds of banishment rituals, and I never seem to be able to get any better at it. And the level of spirits that I attack is very high. I only attempt to banish the stronger spirits, the ones that pose a threat to me. Those ones have generally survived many such rituals by people alot better at this than I am, but I'm succesfull to an almost comical degree. I can't explain it. Perhaps it has something to do with some events from my past.... I'm not sure. Have you tried actually talking with the spirits you say you're banishing? Not all spirits are bad, and most of them, actually, are entirely indifferent to your presence. Chances are they're not going to get pissy with you until you start shoving them around, at which point you will have reason for going through with a banishing. Hell, I've dealt with things from so deep in the dark that their power makes me pause, but only once in ten years of practicing have I dealt with an actively malevolent spirit.
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